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Jita Alt666 917	Posted - 2012.02.20 23:37:00 - [1] - Quote Mittani is one of 3 candidates who have demonstrated they possess the skill set to communicate with and challenge CCP whilst ensuring the relationship between themselves and CCP is congenial and stable.
Jita Alt666 917	Posted - 2012.02.20 23:58:00 - [2] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Weaselior wrote: A coherent post of more than two lines using fairly solid grammar, punctuation, capitalization and paragraphs. That's just not your style little bee. Who'd you steal it from? Or did you get mom to write it for you? Mr Epeen You are one of the few posting alts on this forum who seem to possess internet spaceship knowledge. However anyone who visits the site which shall not be named here, knows Weaslior uses competent grammar and punctuation on a very frequent basis. Your ignorance and slurring based on a generalisation is unbecoming.
Jita Alt666 919	Posted - 2012.02.21 01:09:00 - [3] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Weaselior wrote: The Mittani, King of Space, is the best-known advocate for a technetium nerf. Technetium, for those who are unaware, currently produces approximately 718 billion isk per month for goonswarm, yet The Mittani has advocated for its nerf at every turn due to the poor effect it has had on game balance. The Mittani has had the chance to advocate for Goonswarm's financial interests at the expense of the game, and has not taken it. The Mittani is the only candidate who has passed such a test. You are certainly living up to your name Weasel. Sure, The Goons hold a lot of Tech, generating huge income. And yes, The Mittani wants tech nerfed. But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable. He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day. So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war. Which is what you are doing here. Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons: Location Owner Date claimed Possible cycles run Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons. If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing. Your implication that CFC and Team Tech are the red vs blue of 0.0 is a dumbed down ignorant falsehood cast by evenews24. My alliance currently has Goons set red and Hydra set blue, but we'd rather see Hydra out of null than see goons fall over.
Jita Alt666 919	Posted - 2012.02.21 01:25:00 - [4] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Please list here an accurate count of who owns what Tech moons: Location Owner Date claimed Possible cycles run Please divide your list into two columns - pro goons and anti goons. If you can not do so, the claims you have made are mere posturing.. Why dont you do it yourself Toolface? Prove me wrong, I dare you. I did not post to provide the answers merely to provide balance to your viewpoint.
Jita Alt666 921	Posted - 2012.02.21 06:30:00 - [5] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Some tinfoil hat rubbish Everyone who lives in 0.0 knows tech needs to be nerfed. A 0.0 based candidate publicly advocates for the tech nerf and somehow that makes him a bad man? Please keep posting though - you have taken a boring CSM thread and turned it into the conspiracy of 2012; CSM candidates are using the CSM as a platform to improve Eve Online and at the same time further their in game causes.
Jita Alt666 923	Posted - 2012.02.21 06:53:00 - [6] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Ai Shun wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: But The Mittani does not want Tech nerfed because "it has a poor effect it on game balance". Thats laughable. He wants it nerfed because his in-game enemies has even more tech income. That income translates to finanical muscle to purchase - among other things - supercaps (another of Mittanis favorite nerf objectives). And since Goonswarm is unable to take all this tech by force, the strategic imbalance between CFC and Team Tech grows every day. So, what naturally follows from this situation is Goon two main stratetic objectives - nerf tech income and (preferably) nerf subercaps into oblivion. Sure it will hit Goonswarm hard as well, but it will free them to capitilize on their biggest assets, their numbers. A double nerf (tech + supers) will hit team tech far harder - setting the stage for Goon dominance later on. Also, since this stratgy actually hurts Goons, you can capitalize on it in your propaganda war. Which is what you are doing here. That is not a question. That is a statement. Indeed it is. I am giving you my opinion. You can coose to belive it. Or not. Its up to you. And please, keep splitting hairs. You are so very good at it. So your opinion is that if Goons had more tech than everybody else combined they would not be advocating its nerf, but because they have less than 50% of the tech in the game they want it nerfed cause the collateral damage would be worse for the rest of eve than themselves?
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 07:14:00 - [7] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: So your opinion is that if Goons had more tech than everybody else combined they would not be advocating its nerf, but because they have less than 50% of the tech in the game they want it nerfed cause the collateral damage would be worse for the rest of eve than themselves? Is a dual problem. Basically they faced an adverse tech situation combined with a supercap superiority they were ill prepared for. Nobody was really prepared for the effectiveness of the supercap blob the anti-NC coalition began using with umpunity from about the time of the siege of TVN-FM in may, 2011. As I have said in another thread, Titans especially scales badly with numbers, moving from a powerful ship to an unstoppable rapetrain once you field enough of them. This became very evident late last spring, but the Goons did not have the fleet, nor the building capacity to match team Tech anytime soon. And with their worst enemies gaining most of the tech in the North, this would be impossible to rectify. I think this is the main motivation for their actions in the CSM this year. And frankly I am surprised when non-Goons dont see it. I mean, The Mittani has after all not exactly kept it a secret that he only represents and work for his constituents (i.e. Goons) But to answer you question directly: had the tables been reversed, with tech and supercap superiority on the Goon side last spring, you can bet that none of these issues had been very high on the CSM agenda with the Mittani as CSM Chairman. Your response raises another question who are Tech Team? When did Tech team come into existence?
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 07:43:00 - [8] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Your response raises another question who are Tech Team? When did Tech team come into existence? Team Tech is basically Goonswarms main opponents in the last year, Pandemic legion, Raiden, NCdot, DRF (although the last entity is now shattered in civil war). From DRF, White Noise and Legion of XDeath provided the most combat assets. A more accurate response would have been along the lines of: Dominion Sov Change GSF screw up WI screw up NC : DRF stable stalemate area of friction Vale/Germinate TCF allow GSF to crash in Deklein TCF dissolve GSF take ownership of Deklein PL bug GSF in Deklein NC invade Etherium Reach - GSF sit out NC B team settle in Germinate Russians bloc up to form DRF DRF push NC out of Etherium Reach Meanwhile... GSF/Test bloc up to form CFC CFC headshot IT in Fountain PL contracted by DRF to screw with NC NC(dot) attempt to take Pure Blind GSF/Test defend pure blind install war time allies Meanwhile... DRF massacre over extended NC B Team EX IT corps form new Alliance (Raiden) to help DRF nail the NC DRF roll into NC heartland MM Razor belatedley appeal for CFC help CFC twiddle thumbs MM Razor fold under pressure from DRF/NC(dot)/PL/Raiden DRF go home WN take over Branch Raiden takes ownership of Tribute NC(dot)/PL/Raiden fail in attempt headshot of GSF MM/Brick move to Delve CFC screws around in Delve MM fold to join AAA DRF breaks up Death vs Solar conflict WN deploys long way from home GSF hit WN WN folds Raiden/PL/NC(dot) takes tech off of GSF A know nothing idiot who is bitter that CFC didn't save his scrubby alliance from certain doom in Germinate makes up a new coalition and calls it Team Tech The Goons vs Team Tech propaganda is so weak even those of us supposedly in Team Tech despise it.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 07:51:00 - [9] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Andski wrote: 2010 Prove it Your own logic argues for it. For a large portion of 2010 GSF was a deadbeat alliance in Syndicate. Of course it would be in their interest to argue that Tech needed to be nerfed - cause they had none - wait maybe they stole a moon or two off of Evoke? At that point GSF : "Team Tech" ratios would have been about 2:180 Actually it makes more sense that they argued for the nerfing of Tech then than it does now.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 07:55:00 - [10] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: The Goons vs Team Tech propaganda is so weak even those of us supposedly in Team Tech despise it. Goon alt spotted heh - the argument of the defeated deployed. There is more chance that Death will line up to kick Raiden in the teeth than there is they will try and knock out CFC
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:01:00 - [11] - Quote Andski wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: Andski wrote: 2010 Prove it Your own logic argues for it. For a large portion of 2010 GSF was a deadbeat alliance in Syndicate. Of course it would be in their interest to argue that Tech needed to be nerfed - cause they had none - wait maybe they stole a moon or two off of Evoke? At that point GSF : "Team Tech" ratios would have been about 2:180 Actually it makes more sense that they argued for the nerfing of Tech then than it does now. whoa don't dis LODRA The most interesting thing about that alliance was a youtube video involving wasabi and a CCP employee.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:05:00 - [12] - Quote Ann133566 wrote: This thread has made me want to vote against him. Why? Because I'm full of hate. I have a particular hatred to wannabe politicians. Vote against the Mingtanni, it's a vote against the system. A To vote against him you need to vote for someone who has the ability to displace him, it is incredibly sad but the options are both few and inferior.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:09:00 - [13] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: This just in, courtesy of Kugu: "IGÇÖm the only GSF candidate this time; Vile Rat is sick of Iceland. WeGÇÖre going to need a metric fuckload of votes to secure the Chairmanship and - ideally - an indisputable mandate. IGÇÖd like to see us be able to c&p a ridiculous vote total as a one-line reply to every shitbird eve-o poster whining about us for the next year". The Mittani, State of the Goonion, Feb 20, 2012. That'll shut me up, i'm sure 1. For what purpose did you post that here? it contributes nothing to your argument and detracts nothing from the argument of rationality. 2. It was just (less than 15 minutes ago) posted on Evenews24 feel free to acknowledge your real source.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:19:00 - [14] - Quote So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog?
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:34:00 - [15] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: So it took you longer than 2 hours and 20 posts to make the connection and then post something random about the CSM that was in the blog? Huh? I just opened it 10 minutes ago. I usually check out the "Goonswarm Federation: The Last Bastion Of True "Literature" Chat" thread, among others. I just loved that quote. Does it actually matter? Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable. So does it matter? No. Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though: It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010 Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history. No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:44:00 - [16] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Tippia wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: My position is the same. I.e. unproven. Yes, as stated repeatedly Tippia, this is my opionion. Learn to ******* read. Ahh the rage is building. Perhaps Tippa you should have gone with Ill informed.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 08:56:00 - [17] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Thread derailment is often used as a device for an individual who knows s/he has bitten off more than they can chew to sidle out without admitting their position is untenable. Dont pin your ** posting practices on me Jita Alt666 wrote:** . Will you be able to distance yourself from your argument, that the only reason Mittani wants the nerf of Tech is out pure self interest in the short term even though: It has been illustrated by goons posting that it is long term proposition they have been advocating since 2010 Logic determines that it was more in their interest in 2010 than it is now yet they still persist to advocate the change Your original argument contains no factual evidence and is simply an inference that is out of context with history. No, you won't be able to alter the topic until you have taken your soap box back to your captain's quarters. The only thing you prove is that they have been advocating tech nerfs when they are at a disadvantage. Which is kinda my point. you havent dug up anything from when they were at the top of the tech mountain. My position is the same. Your implied position (over multiple posts) was that the Goons, afraid of the advantage "Tech Team" have via inferior Super Capital numbers and inferior Tech Moon holdings, are only attempting to nerf both so they can use their superior numbers in any upcoming confrontations. Things you've ignored in your opinion forming 'analysis": Goons were advocated for the nerfing of Tech 18months before the term "Tech Team" was coined. Goons were advocating for the nerfing of Super Capitals 18 months before the term "Tech Team" was coined. There may be a level of self interest involved, however to argue that Mittani is only advocating out of self interest for an upcoming conflict with the "Tech Team" is pretty clearly a falsehood. By the way when were Goons top of the Tech Pile?
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:04:00 - [18] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Tippia wrote: Even assuming that's true, what's the problem? Are you serious? Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests? Because if you dont see that as a problem, you and I are definitly not playing the same game. Now that is a different argument. To be blunt, in a democracy, an elected official answers to his or her constituents. If the Mittani is elected to the CSM he is not answerable to you or I - he is answerable to his constituents.
Jita Alt666 924	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:08:00 - [19] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Tippia wrote: Reilly Duvolle wrote: Are you seriously asking why a player elected body who are there to represent the playerbase dealing with CCP to the benefit of EVE Online the game, is instead used as a vehicle to further CSM members in game interests? You are assuming that, in furthering his/their own interests, he's not representing the player base. Why is that? So yes, what's the problem, should it even be true to begin with, especially since you admit that his interest is actually good for the game as a wholeGÇª? But The Mittani doesnt represent the EVE Online playerbase now does he? He represents Goons. Period. He says so himself. The CSM should be metagame free zone. I dont belive it is. So you are arguing the CSM should not be democratic? Why pick on one candidate then?
Jita Alt666 925	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:12:00 - [20] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Things you've ignored in your opinion forming 'analysis": Goons were advocated for the nerfing of Tech 18months before the term "Tech Team" was coined. Goons were advocating for the nerfing of Super Capitals 18 months before the term "Tech Team" was coined. There may be a level of self interest involved, however to argue that advocating Mittani is only out of self interest for an upcoming conflict with the "Tech Team" is pretty clearly a falsehood. By the way when were Goons top of the Tech Pile? Goons were advocating nerfing tech when they had none, or was at a disadvantage versus ther enemies. After they took over Deklein with its tech, and before the **** went down with the NC, I cant see anywhere anything proving they wanted to nerf tech. Oh so while the Goons had Deklein and Morsus Mihi had Tribute and Razor had Branch and the NC High Command divided up the Tech in Venal? The tech owned by Morsus Mihi, Razor et all was nothing to do with Goons. Goons had less tech then than they do now. Your desire to lump alliances together into powerblocs and assess their total capacity is devoid of ingame actuality.
Jita Alt666 925	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:14:00 - [21] - Quote We all know what happened to a large portion of Morsus Mihi's tech now don't we...
Jita Alt666 925	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:16:00 - [22] - Quote It also went OUT OF GAME
Jita Alt666 925	Posted - 2012.02.21 09:18:00 - [23] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: Oh so while the Goons had Deklein and Morsus Mihi had Tribute and Razor had Branch and the NC High Command divided up the Tech in Venal? The tech owned by Morsus Mihi, Razor et all was nothing to do with Goons. Goons had less tech then than they do now. Your desire to lump alliances together into powerblocs and assess their total capacity is devoid of ingame actuality. If I am not mitstaken Jita Alt666, neither Morsus Mihi, Razor or indeed any other part of the old NC were shooting them and trying to take their stuff. I think you will find that this is a rather significant factor, when trying to assess a strategic situation. I don't shoot my neighbours. Nor do I count their income in my tax return.
Jita Alt666 926	Posted - 2012.02.21 19:46:00 - [24] - Quote Sasori michi wrote: Goons trying to ***** yet another game . Any remember DarkFall ?. Goons had their way with that too and DF is dead. Im just gona get the popcorn and watch them do the same to EVE . and OP is a...Old British slang word for Cigarette. He must really love his Bukkake. You are new around here aren't you?
Jita Alt666 926	Posted - 2012.02.21 19:52:00 - [25] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: That doesn't mean neutral. It simply means that they can't try to use their CSM position to gain tactical advantage. That's the very ******* definition of neutral. 1. not taking part or giving assistance in a dispute or war between others: a neutral nation during World War II. 2. not aligned with or supporting any side or position in a controversy: The arbitrator was absolutely neutral.
Jita Alt666 926	Posted - 2012.02.21 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote Reilly Duvolle wrote: Just for the fun of it, I took the liberty of collecting selected Andski quotes from this thread alone. Its quite a collection. Andski wrote: moron some bullshit tinfoil theory we get it, the mean goonies touched you in a bad place and you're bitter about it you look dumb you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about you are a bleating moron Again, you're only bleating. baaaaaaa, baaaaaaa baaaaaaaaa, baaaaaaaa let me try to reduce that to a syllable count suitable for your reading level again, baaaaaa, baaaaaa owning bleating pubbies erryday let me explain why you're an idiot... pubbies are hilarious Yeah... Its quite the sewer. You must be the pride of Goonswarm Andski. But I am curious though. Does you mum know you play internet tough guy? Please keep demonstrating through deflection of topic that your arguments have been completely destructed. The fact that an individual who posts with such poor grammar, sentence structure and with such disdain for everything you hold dear in life makes it even more emphatic.